Collateral Murder - Wikileaks - Iraq
Why Hacker News recommends it
HN cites it as the key evidence of what Chelsea Manning leaked and as an example of civilian deaths in war, with some early commenters disputing how to read the footage.
What it is
WikiLeaks' release of cockpit footage from a 2007 US Apache helicopter attack in Baghdad that killed a group of men including two Reuters staff, and then a van that came to help the wounded. The video includes the crew's radio chatter and context on the military's initial account.
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What Hacker News said
Cites shaddi · 2010-04 · on “Wikileaks gun camera video of civilians shot in Baghdad 07/12/07”
I believe this is the full, unedited helicopter camera footage. [LINK] In case the link is changed, this is what was previously there: [this video]
Cites VladRussian · 2011-12 · on “Red Cross Wants Real Life Laws Enforced Within Virtual Worlds”
killing virtual people in a virtual world - violence, bad. At the same time each and every of us oppresses, brutalizes, tortures and kills in real-life through our hired-for-money agents - governments at all levels. "Come on, let us shoot" [this video] Games are to blame? Or hysterical propaganada dehumanizing arabs, Afgans, etc... and blessing violence against them.
Cites derrida · 2013-03 · on “Bradley Manning’s Statement”
> What wrong-doing did Manning uncover; what crimes? Here are some US troops shooting at unarmed civilians, children and Reuters journalists. There was never a gun held, or fired except by the US troops... [this video] This is the reality of asymmetric warfare, where doing your job walking down the street in Baghdad can get you killed. There are 1000's of such incidents we know about thanks to Manning. This happens to be the most graphic and easily understood because it is a video. Other stories are contained in the giant databases and are a couple of hundred words of text. Personally I uncovered a case in Cablegate where the US Ambassador to Nigeria asked for someone to be rendered to the US wit
Cites derrida · 2013-03 · on “Bradley Manning’s Statement”
Provably false. Here is the exact second that freeze-frame above is taken in the collateral murder video [this video] Compare with the picture that the US military claims is of an armed person [LINK] That person isn't carrying anything let along a weapon. At the exact time the US troops say "that's a weapon" (around or just after 3:13) and thus fix the belief that the group is carrying weapons, from the Apache all that is visible in shot are 2 camera men, with cameras. What amazes me is that who ever decided to make this picture didn't go to the effort to at least make a claim that wasn't provably false from the available evidence. It's really hard to prove a negative existential statement, so th
Cites falk · 2013-07 · on “Snowden asylum still under review, stays in airport for now”
"I mean, Putin straight kills journalists." So does the United States of America. [this video] The United States government wants to make an example out of Snowden. There's no way he would serve just two years in prison.
Cites monsterix · 2013-07 · on “Bradley Manning verdict to be announced Tuesday”
> What exactly was Bradley Manning trying to whistleblow about? Seen collateral murder [1]? > Its hard to say that that is not treason. Really? It's so easy to kill the messenger. Not to bring in the emotional aspect of this typical power structure vs. single human issue here, but then treason would be the last word I'd want to use for the guy who uncovered killing of innocents and wrong doings of some (I think most soldiers are not trigger-happy rather good people who love peace) stupid crazy soldiers in our army (who should be behind bars instead!). Let's not forget that we pay the bills for all this. [1] [this video]
Cites gasull · 2013-11 · on “Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement”
The Collateral Murder video was most likely watermarked. I think the low quality of the video is because the quality had to be degraded so the watermarks can't be seen/scanned. [this video]
Cites vfclists · 2014-05 · on “Rand Paul: Show Us the Drone Memos”
Could you kindly provide evidence of the threats are you referring to? You are simply saying that the officials should be taken on trust alone? An American citizen who open admits committing a crime gets more due process than a harmless child in some third world country. Do American military men ever have to produce evidence before killing children, as in [this video]