Ted Nelson in Herzog's "Lo and Behold"

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Strong rec sarvind · 2019-10 · on “And 'Lo!': How the internet was born”

I suspect this comment is aimed at segments like this one with Ted Nelson of Hypertext fame: [this video] On first viewing, I too felt it was incomprehensible wordsoup in some sense - but upon learning more about Nelson and the history and context around which his ideas were developed, I've grown to find this interview almost magical.

Recommends azeirah · 2017-02 · on “Show HN: DeepUI Programming Studio – A different approach to programming”

There's someone who definitely spent a lot of time on this, definitely check out Ted Nelson's ZigZag structure: [LINK] It is exactly that, an attempt to structure data in a similar way that our thoughts are formed. I believe it was this video where he shortly explained that concept; [this video] Although it might be a different video since Ted Nelson is all over the place with his documents and videos.

Recommends mixedbit · 2017-09 · on “Xanadu”

Here is an interview in which Ted Nelson explains his vision to Werner Herzog: [this video] The interview is included in 'Lo and Behold, Reveries of the Connected World' documentary. The whole documentary is rather critical of the impact the Internet revolution had on our society, but Herzog seemed to really admire Ted Nelson's alternative vision for the global network.

Cites wallflower · 2020-06 · on “Quotebacks – Quote the Web”

Ted Nelson who coined the term _hypertext_ in _1963_ claimed in Werner Herzog’s documentary “Lo and Behold” that his original idea for “copy and paste” would always link back to the original. This article below based on the Herzog interview has more context but not the exact _quote_ (context pun intended) that I remember from the documentary. Full interview of Ted Nelson from “Lo and Behold”: [this video] > Nelson, who was featured in Werner Herzog’s latest film, Lo and Behold, believes that instead of the existing formats we use online, where text often mirrors the constraints of paper, we should have a system of two-way links that would allow readers to see the context of any quotation... > The

Cites 8bitsrule · 2022-07 · on “OpenXanadu”

"Amazingly, Herzog concludes that Ted is the only sane person in the computer field." [ [this video] ] At the time Ted conceived his visionary ideas, the magazines were full of pictures of guys in suits standing in front of secretaries typing into screenless hardware, and business machines with racks of IBM tape-reels. There was little non-corporate networking (except for the beginnings of PLATO), and only dreamers talked of making all information available to everyone. Wikipedia is a kludge by comparison.

Critical fossuser · 2020-06 · on “Werner Herzog: ‘Film-making is always some sort of risk-taking’”

My read was similar, I also couldn’t get through Lo and Behold which set off bullshit alarms [0] and just gave me the impression of confidence being used in the place of actual explanation. It feels like an emperor has no clothes situation. For some reason people think it signals high status or intellectualism to like Herzog so they say they do. I haven’t watched all of his movies so this may be unfairly harsh, but that was my initial impression. Portal podcast also came across that way to me. First interview with Thiel was interesting, but I stopped somewhere after the next couple. Too much “the media doesn’t want us to talk about this” and “the Clintons are a globalist conspiracy against t