How close is nuclear fusion power?
Why Hacker News recommends it
HN commenters post it under nearly every fusion breakthrough story as the standard reality check on Q-factor hype.
What it is
Sabine Hossenfelder explains how close nuclear fusion really is to break-even, and why headlines about ITER and lab milestones are misleading. She distinguishes plasma gain (Q plasma) from whole-system gain (Q total) and shows the latter is still far below one.
Recommended by 15 HN commenters across 7 different months, 2021 to 2022.
What Hacker News said
Strong rec lisper · 2021-10 · on “Major nuclear fusion milestone reached as ‘ignition’ triggered in a lab”
Neither. From TFA: "While the latest experiment still required more energy in than it got out, it is the first suspected to reach the crucial stage of ‘ignition’, which allowed considerably more energy to be produced than ever before, and paves the way for ‘break even’, where the energy in is matched by the energy out." Here [1] is an excellent video by Sabine Hossenfelder about why you should not get too excited about this result. [1] [this video]
Strong rec TaylorAlexander · 2021-11 · on “The chase for fusion energy”
It’s true that ITER will not produce net power and that the administrators have misled the public about the difference in Q factors. You can have a reactor which produces more thermal power than you put in to it that is still a net power drain when you factor in the rest of the plant operations to keep it going. All clearly explained in this great video. [this video] There is a real risk that by focusing on the wrong Q factor you sink all your budget in to plants which can never work as a real power plant. Still I am hopeful that ITER will be sufficiently valuable as a research system that we do move closer to commercial fusion power.
Strong rec limaoscarjuliet · 2022-02 · on “Major breakthrough on nuclear fusion energy”
According to Sabine Hossenfelder, published numbers are frequently mis-stated on purpose. When you look at frequently reported Q Plasma (or plasma efficiency) we are not that far from it being > 1. However, we should look at Q Total (total efficiency), which is still way below < 1, even in the best plans. [this video] For years, I was hoping fusion is close. After watching Sabine's video, I'm not so optimistic anymore.
Strong rec amai · 2022-12 · on “US scientists boost clean power hopes with fusion energy breakthrough”
Mandatory video by Sabine Hossenfelder: [this video] So they probably are talking again about Q_plasma, not Q_total .
Strong rec supergirl · 2022-12 · on “US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved”
everyone should watch [this video] to put this into perspective. for some reason, all the news articles are extremely misleading. previous output ratio for this fusion method was something like 70%, now it is 150%. it's a useful improvement, but not a major breakthrough. the whole system still consumes 100x more energy than it produces. 100MJ of energy is needed to power the laser. the laser generates only 2MJ of energy that powers fusion. fusion generates 3MJ of output energy. so all the articles are saying "they put 2MJ energy and got 3MJ energy back". no, they put 102MJ and got 3MJ.
Recommends tylermauthe · 2021-10 · on “Can Nuclear Fusion Put the Brakes on Climate Change?”
The claims on nuclear fission being just around the corner are wildly exaggerated. Sabine Hossenfelder has a great video [1] on this topic. I want fusion to be real too, but focussing on small scale fission and solar is probably a better idea. [1] - [this video]
Recommends vfclists · 2021-10 · on “Major nuclear fusion milestone reached as ‘ignition’ triggered in a lab”
Funny how this story gets posted after soon after Dr Sabine Hossenfelder's debunking and deflate the fusion power hype - [this video] with a genuine Hans Gruber accent :)
Recommends jahnu · 2021-11 · on “Helion”
Can anyone tell me if this is a net + like the lay person would understand it or something like the net + qplasma thing often misleadingly used when talking about tokamaks? Sabine Hossenfelders explains here: [this video]