2017/08/08: James Damore and his Google Memo on Diversity (complete)
Why Hacker News recommends it
During the 2017 memo controversy, HN commenters pointed to it as Damore's own account and a detailed walk-through of the memo's sources.
What it is
Jordan Peterson's roughly 50-minute interview with James Damore, the fired Google engineer, going through his diversity memo nearly line by line. The description links the scientific literature behind the claims.
Recommended by 8 HN commenters across 2 different months, 2017 to 2018.
What Hacker News said
Strong rec dolevyao · 2017-08 · on “Google engineer wrote his memo after he went to a shaming diversity program”
I highly, highly recommend watching Damore's interview with Jordan Peterson. I am starting to think that Damore might be on the right side of all of this. [this video]
Recommends boona · 2017-08 · on “More than 60 women consider suing Google, claiming sexism and a pay gap”
It seems that HN is flagging all articles that mention the Google Memo. Which speaks to the need to have this conversation even more. For those who are interested, James has a new interview with psychology professor Jordan Peterson. [this video]
Recommends coreyp_1 · 2017-08 · on “Google Memo Author James Damore Talks to Jordan Peterson [video]”
Why is this flagged, and why do the submitted links keep disappearing? (This video in this link is incomplete, the full video is here: [this video] ) The full video is very well put together, including links to the scientific papers discussed. This is a high-profile event at one of the largest internet tech company in existance, and it has a bearing on every one of our lives. So why is it being flagged and removed everywhere?
Recommends mpweiher · 2017-08 · on “The Google memo is poorly argued and reaches the wrong conclusion”
James's memo is a lot better argued, more nuanced and fair than this collection of personal opinions, bald assertions, non-sequiturs and inane hypotheticals. See Jordan Peterson's interview with James Damore, where he goes through the memo almost line-by-line. [this video]
Recommends mpweiher · 2017-08 · on “Google’s War Over the Sexes”
First, see Jordan Peterson's interview with James Damore, where he goes through the memo almost line-by-line. [this video] Second, he doesn't say that "female attributes/desires are not as compatible with tech jobs", at least not as you define them. These are his suggestions for improving diversity: "Women on average show a higher interest in people and men in things ○ We can make software engineering more people-oriented with pair programming and more collaboration. Unfortunately, there may be limits to how people-oriented certain roles at Google can be and we shouldn't deceive ourselves or students into thinking otherwise (some of our programs to get female students into coding might be doing t
Recommends cropsieboss · 2017-08 · on “Susan Wojcicki, CEO of YouTube Responds to Google Memo”
Why is everyone appealing to emotions and producing red herrings? No one refers to any points other than those which they interpret to be oppressive and offensive (mostly points having to do with female/male differences which are real and exist). The hypothesis put out are there to further the discussion, not to be taken as facts (there are words like "may", "in part" all over the place yet we interpret "may" as "is", and "in part" as "mostly"). What about Google's unscientific, hidden, irrational methods of fixing bias? Unconscious bias training is unscientific yet they practice it. It does not work, or at worst it is harmful. Facebook does it too. These methods come from one of the hardest
Recommends orionblastar · 2017-08 · on “Fired Engineer James Damore: I Feel Google Betrayed Me”
TL;DR version, James Damore works for Google, researches scientific sources for gender definitions. Compiles each definition and factor into a document that uses neutral third party citations and peer review to back up his citations. Gets fired over SJW Politics, accusing him of making gender stereotypes by people using politics, culture, society for gender definitions, Google panics over the protesters, feminists, social justice warriors, etc upset over the document and under pressure fire James Damore. He was not a shitty or toxic employee, he was assigned to do scientific research on genders and compile it into a document using scientific proof. [this video] Look at the full text of that video
Recommends jxramos · 2017-08 · on “Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo”
I watched some youtube interviews of him, one on Bloomberg where he seemed pretty nervous and not as articulate or as relaxed as on this longer interview [this video] with some Canadian professor who apparently has a bad rap of his own. Still an interesting discussion with some odd 3rd party alternate Googler in the background who speaks up every now and then but who has an obscure role in the context of the overall discussion. I was pretty curious too who this fella was that stirred up the hornet's nest.