Rich Harris: Futuristic Web Development
Why Hacker News recommends it
Cited as the source for Sapper's end and SvelteKit's origin, and as an early view of where JS frameworks were heading.
What it is
Rich Harris's Svelte Summit 2020 talk on what a modern web development workflow could look like. It announced that Sapper would give way to what became SvelteKit.
Recommended by 3 HN commenters across 2 different months, 2020 to 2022.
What Hacker News said
Recommends dmitriid · 2020-11 · on “Angular 11”
In addition to links in sibling comments, there's the official Svelte blog with regular updates: [LINK] and this video from recent conference on the future of Svelte: [this video]
Recommends qbasic_forever · 2021-03 · on “SvelteKit Is in Public Beta”
Check out the creator's first posts and videos of sveltekit when he introduced the alpha version: [this video] The way I understand it is it's an evolution of sapper to be more versatile, especially with respect to the backend. Out of the box it can work more easily with serverless providers that give you static file hosting + some kind of basic API gateway and serverless function platform. So you can write full stack client and server-side code all using the same framework (like you can with sapper). But the key difference from sapper is that you're not stuck using a node.js backend, with sveltekit you can swap in different backend implementations, like one targeting a serverless/lambda system.
Recommends alexandargyurov · 2021-03 · on “SvelteKit Is in Public Beta”
Rich Harris did a great talk[0] at an early stage of SvelteKit's development called "Futuristic Web Development". I really do believe this is the next phase of how JS web frameworks will work in the future. [0] [this video]
Cites tobr · 2020-10 · on “The Rome Toolchain: A linter, compiler, bundler, and more”
As an aside, Sapper in particular is probably not the future, as there’s been an unofficial announcement[1] that it will be replaced with file-based routing built in to the Svelte app template. 1: [this video]
Cites pier25 · 2020-10 · on “Next.js 10”
And... Sapper is dead btw. Rich said it recently in a video. The Svelte team is working on the next big thing combining Svelte with Snowpack. The project is called SvelteKit. [this video]
Cites atom_arranger · 2020-10 · on “Next.js 10”
Relatively recent news, Sapper is not getting a 1.0.0. Svelte is going in a different direction in the future. [this video]
Cites alfonsodev · 2021-03 · on “Comparing Svelte and React”
I think many people adopted React because Facebook was behind it, and using it in production, the ecosystem is huge, there is a react- package for everything you can image, there is also react-native, I don't like it, but there it is, you can reuse the knowledge to build native mobile apps. Now Svelte, I haven't been following, but I think the creators are working in what's going to be next and even better framework[1], to your point of things in Svelte not changing as much as in React, maybe it just a matter of time. Here is the video I had in my bookmarks for a while, I still couldn't make the time to watch, so I hope my comment is not too far from reality. [1] [this video]
Cites Glench · 2022-01 · on “SvelteKit”
I don't feel like this page really does SvelteKit justice. SvelteKit is kind of like Next.js but taken to the next level. I know people using less mainstream frameworks tend to be a bit overzealous in their advocacy, but I've been using SvelteKit a bunch and I love it more than any framework I've ever used: - All the component/JS/CSS/HTML/endpoint plumbing is taken care of and optimized for you with no configuration. Including code-splitting per route! You can get up and running in seconds. - Can use the same JS/TS on the front and backends. This was always my issue with Django and Rails. - Server-rendered for performance and SEO with client-side hydration of components. - Optional client-si