China’s Vanishing Muslims: Undercover In The Most Dystopian Place In The World
Why Hacker News recommends it
HN cites it as first-hand, independent reporting on Xinjiang that does not rely on state-sanctioned access.
What it is
VICE News reporter Isobel Yeung goes undercover as a tourist in Xinjiang, documenting heavy surveillance, policing and internment of Uighurs. It also covers children taken into state-run institutions.
Recommended by 3 HN commenters across 3 different months, 2019 to 2022.
What Hacker News said
Recommends LilBytes · 2019-08 · on “Information operations directed at Hong Kong”
Yes, totalitarian dictatorships are a literal alternative to Democracy, though I feel we're nitpicking on the semantics of my words here. When I say I don't see Totalitarian Dictatorships as an alternative, I don't mean in the literal sense, I mean in the viable sense. In the literal sense, yes, it's an alternative to Democracy. As is building a house on sand is a literal but not viable alternative to building a house on concrete. I don't think many would want to live under a Chinese authoritarian rule given the Democratic alternatives. Or perhaps they would until they're rounded up in Xinjiang camps, shot in the face with rubber bullets for wanting to protect their current way of life or ra
Recommends _bxg1 · 2020-03 · on “‘Re-education’, forced labour and surveillance beyond Xinjiang”
> Almost everything ughyur and xinjiang related has pretty much been shown to be propaganda and from highly questionable sources Do you have any evidence for that whatsoever? In contrast, here's a very thorough look from an established news source: [this video]
Recommends network2592 · 2022-01 · on “Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter”
Most people would be unequivocally against slave concentration camps. Do not confuse lack of action with lack of caring. Effective action may require collective action. But individually, most people care. Yet, collectively, they cannot seem to do anything meaningful. You are making a statement that is the definition of an ecological fallacy [0] The article you pointed out is hardly balanced. The access of journalists is heavily restricted. Naturally, any information that comes out from a standard news outlet with government sanctioned offices like Associated Press will sound like government propaganda. CCP will not let AP have access to any information that counters the narrative of the prop
Cites lokeshk · 2019-07 · on “China Muslims: Xinjiang schools used to separate children from families”
Coincidentally, I watched this vice news documentary earlier today that shows the current situation in China: [this video] through undercover reporting.
Cites _iyig · 2019-08 · on “Drink Poison and Smile: How I Arrived at My Position of Pro-Democracy”
>(are the Uyghur Muslims treated worse than immigrants in many western places like US / EU / AUS?) This question would be simpler to answer if China allowed foreign reporters access to the camps, cities, and provinces where (millions of) Uyghur Muslims are held, such as Xinjiang. Could you imagine if Chinese reporters were denied to access to, for example, the state of Texas? What if plainclothes Texas Rangers stalked tourists visiting El Paso, and aggressively detained and deported anyone caught interviewing local Hispanics? That’s the type of media blackout which I understand is currently imposed on Xinjiang. VICE News on the ground: [this video] Foreign Policy editor, “All of my Uyghur sources
Cites nemothekid · 2019-09 · on “Apple Hints China Behind ‘Billion Device iPhone Hack’ That Google Reported”
Not OP; I've only come across this in a Vice documentary - [this video] I don't think the surveillance has the explicit purpose of preventing cultural reproduction, but I can imagine it has a chilling effect.
Cites aiyodev · 2019-10 · on “Hitman hires hitman who hires hitman who hires hitman who hires hitman”
I do not believe this story. We're talking about a country that puts children in concentration camps. I do not think you can trust anything in their press releases. [this video]
Cites heavyset_go · 2019-11 · on “Data leak reveals how China 'brainwashes' Uighurs in prison camps”
What I find chilling is that Uigher children are being kidnapped from their families and sent to barbed wire enclosed camps as well[1]. There, they are subjected to CCP brainwashing[2]. [1] [this video] [2] [this video]