How to charge your non-Tesla at a Supercharger and what NOT to do!
Why Hacker News recommends it
HN links it as concrete proof that other brands already charge on Tesla chargers in Europe.
What it is
A guide to charging a non-Tesla EV, here a BMW i4, at a Tesla Supercharger in the UK, with do's and don'ts. It shows the process in practice now that the network is open to all cars.
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What Hacker News said
Cites clouddrover · 2022-06 · on “New Standards for National Electric Vehicle Charging Network”
> and it’s likely the only automakers left after the EV transition are Tesla, Ford, and possibly Rivian That isn't remotely likely. The European EV market is 3 times the size of the North American EV market at the moment. Here's what that looks like: [LINK] [LINK] Have a look at Norway's sales for 2022. 4 of the top 10 vehicles are Volkswagens (VW ID.4, Audi Q4 e-tron, Skoda Enyaq, Audi e-tron): [LINK] > and deploys tens of Superchargers per month So you mean people will have more places to charge their BMWs or Audis or Toyotas or Hyundais, etc? So what: [this video]
Cites clouddrover · 2022-08 · on “Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer”
> not least due to lack of charging network It's true that there need to be more fast chargers, but it's also true that this notion of "no charging network for CCS cars" is making less sense every month. You can get across America and Canada on CCS chargers. For example on Petro-Canada or Electrify America (and there are more charging networks than just these two): - [LINK] - [LINK] A Better Route Planner is a good tool to try out routes in various models of EV to see how easy or hard a given trip will be: - [LINK] Europe sensibly standardized on CCS type 2 Combo so any brand of car can charge on any brand of charger. Even Tesla is finally opening their chargers to all brands in Europe: - [V
Cites clouddrover · 2022-08 · on “Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer”
> Non tesla fast charging is an absolute disaster Doesn't seem to be. Tesla's chargers have been behind the curve versus others with lower speeds, still only 400 volts, and only supporting one brand of car. Tesla is at least slowly starting to support other brands: - [this video] But Circle K, Gridserve, Ionity, etc. are better charging stops with faster chargers: - Circle K: [LINK] - Gridserve: [LINK] - Ionity: [LINK]
Cites clouddrover · 2022-11 · on “Twitter to employees: all office buildings closed, badge access suspended”
You don't seem to be across what's happening in Europe. All of the companies you mentioned are invested in Ionity which provides 350 kW chargers at over 400 locations: [LINK] Europe has standardized on CCS Type 2 Combo for charging. Any CCS EV can charge on any CCS charging network. Teslas can charge on Ionity, BMWs can charge on Tesla chargers, charging networks like FastNed, BP, GridServe, EnBW, Circle K and friends can charge all brands, etc.: [this video] [LINK] [LINK]
Cites clouddrover · 2022-11 · on “The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph top speed, 46 mile range”
> Why would you let your competitor who are barely trying to deliver EVs freeload on it? This is such strange thinking. It's not like Tesla will give away free charging. The reality is more EVs using your chargers means more revenue. High utilization is better than low utilization. But you won't listen to me about it, so listen to Tesla instead: [LINK] This is what Tesla is already doing in Europe. It's easy in Europe because Europe has a common charging standard in CCS Type 2 Combo: [this video] A big benefit of CCS for Tesla owners is that they can easily switch to other charging networks when Tesla's network is uncompetitive: [LINK] The sad thing for North America is that it looks like Tesla w
Cites clouddrover · 2023-01 · on “Tesla’s biggest modern edge: the Supercharger network”
> "Now [the Supercharger network] the linchpin of their brand and their competitive moat against other automakers." This is a very American perspective. The North American EV market is about a third the size of the European EV market. Europe standardised on CCS Type 2 Combo and all brands of EV can charge on all chargers, no nonsense with incompatible plugs and protocols. Here's an American car reviewer charging an EV in Europe and wishing America was the same: [LINK] Here's a BMW charging on a Tesla charger as Nature intended: [this video] North America's incompatible charging infrastructure is a profoundly stupid outcome and only serves to make EVs worse than ICE vehicles. America is still good
Cites clouddrover · 2023-02 · on “Tesla to Open Some Superchargers to Other Vehicles”
I'm making the argument that all brands of EV charging network should charge all brands of EV. Anything less is backward, primitive, and simply dumb infrastructure. In Europe, Tesla charges Tesla drivers less for charging and other drivers more. Tesla also has membership pricing: [this video] Other charging networks also have brand specific deals and membership pricing.
Cites clouddrover · 2023-02 · on “Tesla to open U.S. charging network to rivals in $7.5B federal program”
> This is a terrible mistake on Tesla's part. No, the terrible mistake is to have incompatible charging infrastructure. All brands of EV charging network should charge all brands of EV. Anything less than that is a profoundly brain-dead outcome. You can fuel any brand of ICE car at any brand of fueling station because the fuel is compatible and the fueling infrastructure is compatible. Standards make that possible. EVs need not and must not be any different. Europe already has the benefit of standardising on CCS type 2 Combo for EV charging. And that means you can charge a BMW i4 on a Tesla charger, exactly as it should be: [this video] Equally it means you can charge a Telsa on Ionity or FastNed