Joe Rogan Experience #1258 - Jack Dorsey, Vijaya Gadde & Tim Pool

PowerfulJRE · 10.1M views · 2019 · 3:25:11

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Why Hacker News recommends it

HN people cite it as insight into how Twitter thought about moderation, and as a source for Tim Pool's arguments about uneven enforcement.

What it is

A three-hour-plus Joe Rogan podcast with Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey, policy lead Vijaya Gadde and journalist Tim Pool. They discuss Twitter's moderation, bans and rule enforcement, with Pool challenging Dorsey and Gadde with examples.

Recommended by 6 HN commenters across 6 different months, 2019 to 2023.

What Hacker News said

Strong rec davesmith1983 · 2019-06 · on “Show HN: A Firefox extension to leave comments on any URL”

This comic routinely used as a "Gotcha". However it so over simplifies the position that we are in. Youtube now totally owns online video, there isn't any competitors that are even close. Facebook has almost half the world signed up to its platform. This isn't someone's online forum or a news site. These companies completely own their respective parts of the industry. The major social media sites like Youtube, Twitter, Facebook are so large they are considered to be a "public private space" (I forget the exact legal term). These platforms agree to DMCA safe harbour where they are considered to be a "platform" and not a "publisher". That means they shouldn't be censoring anyone on their polit

Recommends dayvid · 2019-03 · on “Facebook to ban white nationalist content”

I wish larger tech companies would follow Jack Dorsey's path and have more open communication about their policies. His debate with Tim Pool on the Joe Rogan podcast[0] especially provided insight into why they're making these type of decisions. [0] [this video]

Recommends manfredo · 2019-05 · on “Gab will become a Mastodon fork”

> Why are free speech absolutists only supporting fascists? They aren't. You're totally free to advocate instituting a Marxists state, the execution of the bourgeoisen masse, and forming a communist society on Gab. Gab has the blanket policy that any legal speech is okay on their platform (and yes, calling for the execution of the bourgeois is legal in the US. Non-specific threats of violence are legal as per Brandenburg v. Ohio). There's nothing fascist about that in and of itself. The fact that Gab is filled with fascists is because of displacement. Fascists got banned from all the major platforms, so the only ones that don't ban them like Gab and 4chan are full of them. Free speech absolu

Recommends blotter_paper · 2019-10 · on “Twitter to ban political advertising”

I don't agree with every call Twitter makes, but I find Dorsey to be by far the most interesting public figure in the social media game. His two JRE interviews[0][1] and his Tales from the Crypto interview[2] are all worth checking out, IMO. He seems to think Twitter should use a blockchain in the future, and that small social circles should have a system for internally moderating content without needing it to be okay by Twitter's standards, but obviously they're still currently taking down content that breaches their policies in $CURRENT_YEAR. I'm really interested in seeing where Twitter goes, I think Dorsey plays realpolitik sometimes but I don't think he has the same goals as Zuckerberg.

Recommends generalpass · 2020-05 · on “Wikimedia enacts new standards to address harassment and promote inclusivity”

I encourage you to watch a Joe Rogan episode from last year when he brought Jack Dorsey, a Twitter VP, and Tim Pool. [1] The reason this episode is relevant to your comment discussion is that Pool presents that there is this paradigm problem where certain policies intended to bring "inclusion" end up excluding something like half of the U.S. population. This paradigm Twitter management is stuck in prevents them from understanding how people outside their paradigm view their actions, and this results in effectively banning a enormous set of the population from popular discourse. It is hard to evaluate if this is exclusively an American issue because, really, there are so few other countries t

Recommends Kye · 2023-11 · on “X Is Reportedly Selling Inactive Usernames for $50k”

That's weird because I watched as left-leaning accounts got banned one after the other over the years. Maybe you think it's biased a certain way because of who you follow and listen to. I never thought I would recommend an episode of Joe Rogan, but the one where he had Vijaya Gadde on provided a lot of insight into how Twitter thought about moderation. It was a lot more nuanced than I expected. [this video]

Cites brodouevencode · 2019-03 · on “Titania McGrath: 'Queen of woke Twitter culture' sheds his online mask”

Jack Dorsey (CEO) and Vijaya Gadde (global lead for legal, policy, and trust and safety) from Twitter recently was interviewed on Joe Rogan's podcast along with Twitter critic and journalist Tim Pool. Link to the stream here: [this video] I have some criticisms of Twitter that tightly align with what Dr. Doyle experienced, what was discussed on Rogan's podcast, and my own experiences: * Twitter is not a free speech platform, regardless of what Mr. Dorsey and Ms. Gadde say. They have prior assumptions that guide their decision making especially when it comes to identifying what is called hate speech. * Twitter is largely guided and controlled by progressive ideals. The people that make decisions t

Cites wesammikhail · 2019-03 · on “Facebook to ban white nationalist content”

While I agree with you, Tim Pool (as well as many others) made a good point recently about the fact that when platforms are as powerful as being able to influence elections, maybe allowing them to define the structure within which we communicate might not be a good idea. I am a free market guy, so for me these companies ought to have the right to determine the parameters within which their users can operate on their service. However, with things such as EUCD and GDPR rules, introducing competitors to the established networks becomes harder and harder for each day, which only benefits the existing platforms. So when the platforms are biased and competition is hindered by red-tape and regulati