People & Power - On a wing and a prayer
Why Hacker News recommends it
HN resurfaces it during Boeing safety stories as early, firsthand evidence that production and management problems long predate the 737 Max.
What it is
An Al Jazeera English People & Power investigation from 2010 into safety problems with the Boeing 737NG, featuring whistleblowers on cracking parts, hand-made structural components and an alleged cover-up.
Recommended by 3 HN commenters across 3 different months, 2019 to 2024.
What Hacker News said
Strong rec bolangi · 2021-03 · on “Emirates’ Tim Clark says Boeing ‘not getting it’ on 737 Max, 787”
Here are gruesome, firsthand details about production and management problems with the 737NG in a documentary from Al Jazeera. [this video] The following summary is my own: The whole story is shown in the first seconds: three aircraft encountering more force than a usual landing (such as a runway overrun). All three fuselages breaking into three parts in exactly the same two places! All three aircraft exactly eight years old. Aluminum members called chords run the length of the fuselage and around the circumference to make up the fuselage structure. The chords are joined to each other and to reinforcing surrounds for large openings like doors. Poorly fitting chords and bear plates around openings
Recommends reimertz · 2019-07 · on “Work on production line of Boeing 737 Max ‘not adequately funded’”
Here is the video documentary by Al Jazeera for said scandal: [this video] I just watched it. This is bad. Boeing, with the help of the American government, is covering up serious issues with how the 737NG is being built with faulty parts.
Recommends mynameisnoone · 2024-01 · on “United finds loose bolts on plug doors during 737 Max 9 inspections”
Link? Also, the rot didn't start with the 737 MAX. The 737 NG has critical problems that went unaddressed that has contributed to multiple fatalities and equipment damage. Here's a documentary about it: People & Power - On a wing and a prayer (2010) Al Jazeera [this video] [LINK]
Recommends mynameisnoone · 2024-01 · on “United finds loose bolts on plug doors during 737 Max 9 inspections”
You're talking out of your ass. Watch this documentary about whistleblower complaints as far back as the 737 NG line as they observed workers beating structural parts into place with hammers. Clearly, things haven't improved since then. [this video]
Cites bwilli123 · 2019-05 · on “Boeing Resisted Pilots’ Calls for Aggressive Steps on 737 Max”
Some Boeing history from 2010. On the Dreamliner. [this video] Short version: the problems have been there since at least 2005
Cites hansthehorse · 2019-09 · on “Unexpected cracking found on critical Boeing 737 Next Generation part”
There is a 9 year old documentary on two Boing whistleblowers describing cracking probability on the 737ng. It's an hour long: [this video]
Cites anon91831837 · 2019-09 · on “Unexpected cracking found on critical Boeing 737 Next Generation part”
Unsurprising given the 2010 Al Jazeera revelations of the Boeing-Ducommun conspiracy and cover-up: critical structural elements that were supposed to be CNC machined by Ducommun were crudely made by hand and Boeing managers ordered them installed into 737 NG (-600, -700, -800, -900) anyhow. And then when a blue-ribbon panel of Boeing employees went to find out what happened, their findings were buried and no corrective action was taken. 737 NG's are flying around with substandard critical structural components like spars and the areas around doors, leading to several fuselage breakups on hard landings and runway overruns, which has killed at least several passengers to date. In past similar
Cites alexis_fr · 2019-10 · on “US set to impose tariffs on $7.5B of EU exports in Airbus row”
Or: Boeing is in a spiral to death, involving bigger-than-themselves trends: - Airbus started later, so they started with newer technology, on top of it the fly-by-wire / all electronics commands. Boeing is weighted by its legacy. Dozens of thousands of pilots have been trained on mechanical systems, it’s hard to migrate them. Airbus benefited from watching Boeing’s experience and starting at the age of electronics. - Boeing bought McDonnell Douglas in the 2000’s which has extremely bad engineering records (Half of episodes of Air Crash Investigation are about the DC-9/DC-10/MD-11, involving FAA leniency on the flying doors, FAA leniency on extending the length without doing the proper engin