Bernie Sanders: "Open borders? That's a Koch brothers proposal"

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HN commenters cite it in immigration debates as evidence of Sanders' 2015 position that open borders and high immigration hurt wages.

What it is

A short clip of Bernie Sanders in conversation with Ezra Klein of Vox, where he rejects open borders as a proposal that serves the Koch brothers. It is an excerpt from a longer interview on global poverty.

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Cites lumberjack · 2015-11 · on “Text of the Trans-Pacific Partnership”

I think Bernie Sanders elucidates well on this issue in this video. It's about immigration but essentially the same situation: [this video] Basically whether it is morally right or wrong is irrelevant because the US government has a duty to put the American people first.

Cites rdtsc · 2017-02 · on “As Obesity Rises, Remote Pacific Islands Plan to Abandon Junk Food”

Anti-globalization was always a hot topic for the left. Read Chomsky on NAFTA for example and free trade: [LINK] Here is Bernie Sanders being visibly upset at raising immigration levels and instituting "open borders" policy: [this video] I am kind of interested how the current liberals become pro-globalization all of the sudden. They went from organizing large anti-globalization riots, and getting tear gased fighting it, to "What do you mean? We love globalization!". I want to see a more specific analysis in how the shift happened, and maybe a more detailed timeline. Certainly an interesting topic. Here is of course Zuckerberg with his letter worrying that people are not buying the globalization

Cites rdtsc · 2017-02 · on “Encouraging individual sovereignty and a healthy commons”

I made a few tangential points regard globalization in a similar discussion. Basically wondering how globalization which was a very right wing corporatist idea (Sanders calls it a Koch brothers proposal here [this video] basically) became a favorite of the new left. And conversely anti-globalization was a top issue for the left along with TPP, NAFTA and other such stuff. I think it is rather ironic that the new "left" love them globalization all of the sudden, even when their younger brothers were tear-gassed protesting it, just a decade ago or so protesting against it. (More discussion here [LINK] along with a promising book on the subject, 'The Technological Society' by Jacques Ellul suggested

Cites rdtsc · 2017-10 · on “Reddit hires first lobbyists”

There an interesting thing there. Bernie, believe or not, was very much against globalization, TPP and open borders in general: [this video] Listen to how he says it, it's a thing he really hates. This is not fluke or anything, Chomsky another leftist thinker also has been anti-NAFTA well, since it was signed pretty much: [LINK] Notice how he correctly predicted an influx of poor South American farmers who are pretty much forced to abandon their family to come and wash toilets and pick crops here.

Cites buboard · 2018-10 · on “Amazon Pitches Facial Recognition to Monitor Immigrants”

For context , this is the video [this video] and yeah, open borders was a libertarian idea but somehow the tables have turned.

Cites hopefulengineer · 2018-10 · on “Do the Rich Capture All the Gains from Economic Growth?”

It's supply and demand 101, illegal immigration combined with offshoring lowers wages and increases profit margin for the wealthy. Low wage jobs are taken by illegal immigrants, forcing US citizens to take on debt to go to college, where wages are also lowered because there are now thousands of college grads desperate to pay off their debt that can't be eliminated through bankruptcy due to congress being lobbied. A wonderful scam. Same thing with big tech companies pushing for more H1B to push down engineering wages and lower standard of living. This stuff shouldn't even be left vs right, it should be common sense. Here's bernie sanders talking about how open boarders is pushed by the koch b

Cites hopefulengineer · 2018-11 · on “Suicide increasing among American workers”

Older family friend made $30/hr in the 60-70s with pension and benefits working in a meat packing plant with a high school education. Same job today pays $15/hr with no benefits thanks to illegal immigration. There's a reason people like the Koch brothers spend millions in support of illegal immigration, they wanted to drive down the labor cost for jobs like the above. [this video] Offshoring and illegal immigration has killed low skill jobs and given billion dollar multinational corporations the ability to demand whatever they want from workers because they have unlimited labor supply. This doesn't just effect low skill labor either, it forces more people to go to college and take on debt which

Cites deogeo · 2019-06 · on “Einstein's Science Defied Nationalism and Crossed Borders”

That's not the same as against borders - see e.g. international trade, or tourism. Socialism today seems to agree with borders ( [this video] ), and back then, there was national socialism...