This is what may have happened in the recent Tesla Autopilot Crash

What Hacker News said

Cites jijojv · 2018-04 · on “Widow of Tesla crash gives interview”

Apparently the "Barrier" [1] bug is only in AP2 per latest A/B tests done by cpddan (who did the very first crash reproduction scenario in Chicago [2]) [LINK] Tesla Model X with AP2.5, SW 2018.6.1 [LINK] MS 75, AP1, SW 2018.6.1 1. [LINK] "works for 6 months with zero issues. Then one Friday night you get an update. Everything works that weekend, and on your way to work on Monday. Then, 18 minutes into your commute home, it drives straight at a barrier at 60 MPH." 2. [this video]

Cites jijojv · 2018-04 · on “Tesla issues strongest statement yet blaming driver for deadly crash”

This is gonna be interesting as apparently the "Barrier" [1] bug is only in newer AP2 models per latest A/B tests done by cpddan (who did the very first crash reproduction scenario in Chicago [2]) [LINK] Tesla Model X with AP2.5, SW 2018.6.1 [LINK] MS 75, AP1, SW 2018.6.1 1. [LINK] . "works for 6 months with zero issues. Then one Friday night you get an update. Everything works that weekend, and on your way to work on Monday. Then, 18 minutes into your commute home, it drives straight at a barrier at 60 MPH." 2. [this video]

Critical Someone1234 · 2018-04 · on “IIHS: Model S has higher collision claim frequencies than comparable luxury cars”

This isn't great news for Tesla. This 30 second video also recently surfaced where someone reproduced the fatal accident involving autopilot from this week: [this video] This could also be bad for Tesla if this is what occurred. Interestingly in this video the chevron lines exist, something people have been claiming would have averted the accident, also interesting that no warning alarm sounded at any stage.

Critical Shivetya · 2018-04 · on “Tesla’s Musk Takes Charge of Model 3 Production as Problems Persist”

The NHTSA faulted Tesla for the last fatal crash and its likely they will get faulted for the current. I am just shocked that after this one that they haven't suspended its use. The level of chutzpah this company operates at is very dangerous to its future but the public as well. The production issues are a whole different can of worms but the autonomous driving accidents are what the public sees. People need to understand that Tesla is not the only company that can deliver self driving hardware nor are they the only manufacturer of EVs. They are currently the maker of the more desired EV but with some of the old school automakers joining the fray they will see their high end model profit va

Critical Shivetya · 2018-04 · on “Tesla’s Musk Takes Charge of Model 3 Production as Problems Persist”

[this video] that is what happened in the recent fatality, tell me how that is even remotely acceptable regardless of disclaimers. I seriously doubt adaptive cruise control would do the same, the majority of them work by following other vehicles.

Critical Someone1234 · 2018-04 · on “Tesla crash in September showed similarities to fatal Mountain View accident”

If your point is "Autopilot only works on perfect roads" then they might have well pull the plug right now. Dirt, snow, rain, fog, dark, and other common conditions could obscure even correctly painted lines, and it just isn't realistic to expect perfect roads throughout such a large network anyway (in particular as human drivers can infer the line is meant to be there from the neighboring lines). At its core, a system like Autopilot is meant to stand in for humans. Plus in this video where they reproduced the accident there was a full chevron pattern so the argument is flawed/wrong anyway: [this video]

Critical userbinator · 2018-04 · on “Tesla Was Kicked Off Fatal Crash Probe by NTSB”

Who cares if he had 5 seconds to see the barrier if he only had 0.5 seconds to realize that the car went into casual murder mode right as it veers into the barrier. This video is quite relevant: [this video] A fully alert driver trying (and succeeding) in reproducing this behaviour. Observe how long the barrier is visible, how long it takes him to react, and how close the car was to hitting the barrier.

Critical JetSpiegel · 2018-04 · on “Waymo Applies to Put Autonomous Cars on CA Roads Without Safety Drivers”

> The car is always in control, and its primitive object avoidance routines won't let it crash into a barrier.The car is always in control, and its primitive object avoidance routines won't let it crash into a barrier. Of course, how inconceivable that a self driving car could crash into a static barrier! [this video]