[REAL ATC] Delta and Southwest VERY CLOSE CALL on takeoff

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Cites Sanchises · 2015-11 · Aviation Stack Exchange · on “What are the advantages, disadvantages and current state of affairs for text-based ATC?”

I give you the deadliest aviation accident [LINK] caused by (amongst others) radio clutter and unclear voice communication, or this [this video] almost-incident caused by misheard callsigns. Also, in your video example, the pilots can just see the takeoff clearances on their screen: just like there is a crewmember monitoring the radio, there will be a crewmember monitoring the ATC screen. I think your other answer is better.

Cites CGCampbell · 2016-06 · Aviation Stack Exchange · on “Why would pilots "call the company" after an aborted takeoff?”

I was skimming through the RealATC videos on YouTube today and watched this one [this video] . In it there are two flights taking off from Chicago-Midway ( KMDW [LINK] ); Delta flight DAL1328/DL1328 and SouthWest's SWA3828/WN3828. They are each taking off from crossing runways (4R and 31C). For some reason, even though SWA3828 is given clearance to take off, the Delta flight also starts its own rollout. After the call to abort is given, both aircraft abort takeoff and are able to then safely leave their respective runways in order to taxi back to the proper starting point. One of the aircraft states it will need a few minutes to check for heated brakes. Then both aircraft state they will need to

Cites Harper - Reinstate Monica · 2017-09 · Aviation Stack Exchange · on “Is it feasible to recuperate energy from landing aircraft by using a runway sled with regenerative braking?”

On landing - There's no energy in it - airplanes aren't that heavy. If you're thinking there's \$1000 of energy there, forget it... there might be \$1 worth on a 737. That's figuring accelerating the platform to meet the plane, aero drag on both platform and plane, rolling resistance, and the sheer difficulty of storing a 50MW surge of energy you'd get catching a loaded 747. The battery pack alone - it'd be much cheaper to pay for an extra windmill at a wind farm, paint "Danzig airport" on the blades, and call it done. Given the shabby returns, the extreme safety risk of catching an airplane on a sliding platform is not worth it. Arrestor wires would help on all fronts but there's still only

Cites Harper - Reinstate Monica · 2018-01 · Aviation Stack Exchange · on “Do pilots have to stop at the hold position of the takeoff runway?”

Southwest 3828, Midway tower, runway 31C, line up and wait, don't plan on stopping . That's in the audio but not in the subtitles, listen for it [this video] at 0:59. ATC has a lot in motion, with Delta lining up on the cross runway and a short final approaching the other cross runway, and IIRC another flight on a 10-mile final on Southwest's runway. Southwest has gotta go pretty much right now or he'll lose the window of opportunity, and so ATC is clearing him past every stop point before he can reach it. ATC also cleared Delta to roll past the hold-short line, but did not clear him to takeoff. If Delta had been paying more attention to chatter, he'd have the situational awareness to know what w

Cites Harper - Reinstate Monica · 2018-05 · Aviation Stack Exchange · on “What is the correct ATC phraseology in the US for an immediate - no delay takeoff?”

Here's one from the field [this video] , TOWER: Southwest 3828, Midway tower, runway 31C, line up and wait. Don't plan on stopping . SWA3828: 31C line up and wait, Southwest 3828. TOWER: Southwest 3828, traffic holding in position on the crossed runway, traffic on 3-mile final for the crossed runway, no delay please . Turn left heading 250, Runway 31C, cleared for takeoff. The wind 060 at 9. SWA3828 and DELTA1328: Heterodyne What follows the heterodyne is what makes this one famous, but the answer to your question as plays out here, is the controller intentionally used informal language in his advisory "don't plan on stopping" and the admonishment "no delay please".

Cites Ron Beyer · 2018-08 · Aviation Stack Exchange · on “Is it the tower's purview to recall an aircraft from the runway for loading the wrong cargo?”

Yes, the tower can tell an aircraft to abort take off and instruct it to return to the gate, although it probably never got that far in this case , I'm guessing that they got to the runway or were asked to line up when the request came in. This was probably at the direction of Ryanair, since the tower would otherwise not have any information on the wrong cargo being loaded, nor would it really care. I'm guessing at this part.... The back-and-forth probably went like this: Tower: Ryanair 1234 line up and wait Ryanair: Line up and wait, Ryanair 1234 Tower: Ryanair 1234 taxi on runway to Delta, call company Ryanair: Taxi delta, call company The tower probably didn't relate too much information

Cites ceejayoz · 2023-02 · Aviation Stack Exchange · on “Why do Presidential flights have special call signs?”

@user253751 Since 1953 there has been *substantial* improvement in standardizing radio phraseology to avoid callsign confusion (as well as procedural changes to how the President flies). It ain't perfect - [this video] is an example of similar callsigns causing an issue - but AF1 on today's computerized systems is gonna be a) clearly labeled on the controller's scope and b) flying with a TFR that forbids other aircraft from getting anywhere near. Eastern Air Lines 8610 today would discover an F-16 gesturing angrily in their direction rapidly.